Automatic Gold and Item pick-up command

by Coodav | 12/09/2009 20:16:58

Coodav

One thing that I would like to see this time around is something that will automatically pick up the things I want it to. It annoyed me in D2 to have to pick up every item out of a screenful of items. In many cases, I had to sort through so many items that I just gave up and left everything sitting there on the ground. Since this is a game, and theoretically, I EARNED all of that stuff on the ground, why not make an auto-pickup standard for everyone? Once you hit the ALT key (or whatever), it automatically sucks up all the items you ordered it to, and puts them in your stash. Hell, there are auto grabbers in existence that already do this, so why not just make it easy on us?

COODAV

by Bashiok | 12/10/2009 23:54:18

Bashiok

Inventory management and the systems that surround it are something we're obviously interested in, but not something that can really be tuned until we have more of the item game fleshed out and tuned itself. It's hard to know exactly the best way to handle inventory management when the items, types, pickup frequency, and removal frequency can't really be measured with any real accuracy.

Gold is picked up automagically, and it's because it's one of those things that you always want to pick up. You'd never not pick up gold, unless you're playing Diablo II maybe. PAH-ZING! If there are other item types we feel fall into that category they may be automatically picked up when you walk over them too.

We want inventory management to include player choice and interaction, and so while we're definitely not opposed to new ideas and while we're certainly drawing inspiration from many places, we want to maintain that inventory management doesn't become an automated process.


Q u o t e:
I prefer the way Titan Quest handled it, especially after their Immortal Throne expansion came out. The labels on drops would not display unless you pressed a hot key, and you couldn't pick an item up unless the label displayed (this was to save you the aggravation of accidentally picking things up when all you're trying to do is move).


This is a feature in Diablo II, and will likely return in some form in Diablo III. Type /nopickup into chat. Items won't be picked up unless you hold down Alt.


Q u o t e:
I can load the entire game, several times, into RAM alone and a processor that practically idles playing D2, that isn't the problem. For some reason it feels the need read something off the CD meaning it has to start spinning it, which is more of a physics problem.


It's not necessary to play with the CD in the drive any longer. http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21358

by Bashiok | 13/10/2009 01:08:22

Bashiok


Q u o t e:
Soo Goldiok...I was wondering if the golddrops are seperated per players just like the itemdrops?
Or does it drop "publically" and is split by the amount of players nearby or in the same level?


What about healthglobes? Is it confusing during gameplay when you suddenly get healed because another player walked over a globe (which is invisible to you) ?


EDIT: I didn't edit this post.


Gold is per player, same as items.

Health globes everyone sees.

by Bashiok | 15/10/2009 02:31:38

Bashiok


Q u o t e:
What about the visceral feeling you get from seeing the gold drop and then having to pick it up? You miss out on that with an auto-gold system. Kindof disappointing really.


I'm not sure that's actually the case with gold. For items, definitely. With gold though we do make conscious decisions on how much to throw out there, in what amounts, how many piles are tossed out, the visual representation, the sounds, etc. All that stuff is extremely important to making the player feel like they're winning something.

It should feel like... HERE'S SOME GOLD!

I think that's the most important part, and not the actual click to pick it up. To be fair there's a decent amount of clicking just to walk around and pick it all up. We throw out a lot of small piles instead of just one or a few big ones.


Q u o t e:
A good example are the "junk" items in diablo 2. Sure, alot of them are unnecessary, and sure you could easily take them out and not detract from the very core of the gameplay, but I think without them you definitely miss out on some psychological thing which I cant quite describe very well in words, but that i think contributed a great amount to the success of the diablo games. It has alot to do with the "search" instinct that all (some?) people have. A strange kind of satisfaction gained from "sorting" or searching through things, and then the small thrill that they get when they actually find something worthwhile.


This is completely true. Throwing out lots and lots of items in part defines Diablo, and it takes a fair amount of energy and thought to make sure our item pools stay in check and have enough "junk" in them to keep drops interesting.


Q u o t e:
why don't u make auto pick up for items too controlled by item quality or type ?!


As I mentioned we want to try to avoid automation. It should (ideally) be the player's conscious decision about what items to pick up or leave. Setting quality filters doesn't really have a granularity that would satisfy most players, so then we're getting into all sorts of options and pedals and knobs just so the player can avoid what is essentially a large part of the gameplay. Items drop, the player decides what items to pick up. That's a very big part of the game. That decision to drop an item to pick up a different one, that's interesting, that's a good player decision.

Also with those automated types of pick up systems what tends to happen is the storage spaces are absolutely enormous because you're essentially vacuuming everything up. You're removing (actually delaying) player decisions, and you don't want to be punishing for something they're not actually controlling - so the storage spaces are huge. And then really in the end all you're doing is delaying the player's need to decide on what items to keep or not. It cheapens the feeling of items and inventory to a degree. You're detached from the decision so you're then detached from the reality of the item importance and inventory value.

That's all sort of esoteric designery ways of thinking about it though, and to a degree it's that kind of "feel" of a system, the ... ceremony of it, and the psychology that just doesn't always translate well when explaining these things.

We prefer to keep it where it feels important, not allow the decision to just be delayed, and that's having the player make important inventory decisions on the battlefield.

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